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Dimitri
7th April 2007, 03:31 PM
From time to time i see people new to that RAW world being highly confused and don`t have a clue what to do in there , yep ,
been there myself and i assure you it was a nightmare.

I`ve put up a basic workflow mainly for landscapes and for those new to raw.
Thats a basic workflow of mine within PS2 , i don`t necessarily use the same technique on every picture but
i hope it can give you a good kick start.

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Here is my basic workflow.

The heaviest load goes into the field , the composition , the exposure (filters for the sky and so on)
and focusing matters are all taken care of in the field.

In the CS2 raw converter there are 5 windows....Adjust / Detail / Lens / Curve / Calibrate.
If as soon as you open the image it takes you straight into auto mode , just click Ctrl / U and get out of it.

I always start with the..... D e t a i l window and...

01. sharpness...click the little arrow above > preferences > apply sharpening to > preview image only ,
that means...no sharpening during raw conversion , EVER.

02. Luminance smoothing...i use it up to 40, if the sky has some luminance noise due to higher ISO. If it looks nice and smooth, don't use it at all.

03. Noise reduction...never use it as i shoot landscape at ISO 50-100 but if you are converting birds / animals , better use something like noise ninja.

Then i go to..... C u r v e and always (95%) use strong contrast , the strong curve gives a nice impact to the picture.

After that i go to..... L e n s and play a bit (if need) with chromatic aberration and vignetting.

Lastly i go to..... A d j u s t and.....

01. Usually keep the W/B as it is, ( the in camera AWB is pretty accurate ) unless you wish to change it and turn the picture warmer or cooler.

02. Temperature ( as WB above ) but if you change the W / B to something warmer , try to experiment with it as it can give you a more red…ish colour.

03. Tint...never touch it , i`m happy as it is.

04. Exposure...up to you to adjust but I usually tend to underexpose a wee touch and push the brightness up , I get better results.

05. Shadows...98% of the time down to 3 , it gives you good details in the shadows which you don`t lose later in the software when adding some contrast.

06. Brightness...if you bump that up a bit , it works like a highlight boost but doesn`t interfere much with exposure.

07. Contrast...i usually put it up a bit , around 60 ( i like contrasty landscapes ) but do not overdo it , you lose shadow details.

08. Saturation...usually up to 10 unless you like saturated images but if you are going to use something like a velvia plug-in or add more contrast later , keep that at zero.

I never touch the last window ( calibrate ) , i prefer the other options within photoshop.

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Now you are ready to open it within photoshop , that is your first work done , spend some time within the raw converter and get the image near perfect
as you don`t lose any quality while working within the raw convertor.
I usually check in the "show workflow options" window at the bottom left that the image will be transfered as "adobe rgb" and with resolution of 300 pixels/inch ,
also 8 bits / channel.

Now in the main photoshop window.

I check my colours...Ctrl/U

Might use some shadow/highlight (s 1 / h 5)

Might use some...image > adjustments > selective colour > blue > 60% black , thats to darken blue skies.

Some times i use some filters...image > adjustments > photo filters or even the velvia plug-in for selective parts of the picture but thats for more advanced users and
we might have another tutorial in the future.

Remember never to go overboard with these things , it is very easy to get carried away.

Always work with layers (if you can) ( ctrl J ) and save with layers , that gives you the choice of changing your mind with out causing problems ,
I usually make sure i`ve finished with the image and then save it as tiff.

Finally about USM , i don`t use any on my original tiff files.

After the file is reduced for the web , I apply some very careful and small amount
of usm , around 80 - 150 / 0.3 / 0 depending on the picture but for a more advanced sharpening technique , check my Lab USM action thread in the
processing & equipment forum , its easy to use and gives much better results.

Ric
7th April 2007, 03:36 PM
excellent workflow guide Dimitri,

Digital-Light-Photography
7th April 2007, 04:52 PM
Very similar to the workflow I use. Only I don't save tif's or psd files. I'm comfortable enough with my adjustments to not need layers. I save a high res jpg and a web jpg and that's it. I always have the NEF (RAW) file with ACR settings info so I can go back and start from that point again if I want to print. I do so little in PS after RAW conversion anyway, so it's not much trouble to go back and start at that point when need be. That's what I love about photo processing, there are so many personal preference choices that we can make for what is comfortable to us. And no real right or wrong. But that's not the point of my response.

Have you tried CS3? I've had the BETA since the day it came out and haven't touched CS2 since. There are some excellent additions to the ACR dialog that really make it into a do all sort of thing. Vibrance is one of the most useful adjustments added. It's amazing. There's also a tab for split toning, where you can adjust hue and saturation for highlights and shadows separetely. Anyway, it's worth a try if you haven't tried it.

lesmac
7th April 2007, 05:43 PM
Have you tried CS3? I've had the BETA since the day it came out and haven't touched CS2 since. There are some excellent additions to the ACR dialog that really make it into a do all sort of thing. Vibrance is one of the most useful adjustments added. It's amazing. There's also a tab for split toning, where you can adjust hue and saturation for highlights and shadows separetely. Anyway, it's worth a try if you haven't tried it.

I've been using the CS3 beta, and I agree, it's a gem of a program, it's much slicker/faster than PS2, and for once I'm using bridge (it was too clunky in PS2), but my favourite feature is the brightness/contrast tool, it's such an improvement over CS2, it's a dream to use. Try clicking 'use legacy' when using, it shows how destructive this tool was.

Ric
7th April 2007, 08:07 PM
Does anyone find bridge in CS3 a real slow pain in the neck ? Much slower than predesessors so i use a third party browser.

Dimitri
7th April 2007, 08:58 PM
I`ve also used CS3 but because its new and the majority of people here are very familiar with CS2 i had to run with this.
I also started using raw therapee which i think its an awesome tool and still in early stages.
It allows you to adjust colours in lab mod and in separate channels,looking fwd to its improvement as in the next version it will have proper curve tool.

Ric
7th April 2007, 09:12 PM
it does look good dimitri, got to work a bit more with it tonight. considering its free, it could well mop up a significant percentage of the market of raw users.

lesmac
7th April 2007, 10:00 PM
I've converted Dimitr's tutorial to a pdf (adobe acrobat) file,
Download from here:

http://www.inspiring-photography.com/ipf/tutorial/Raw%20workflowTutorial.pdf (http://www.inspiring-photography.com/ipf/tutorial/Raw%20workflowTutorial.pdf)

::John::
7th April 2007, 10:24 PM
WOW - this is all excellent.

I have put off photographing in RAW for some time because I felt so confused over which processor to use and what to do with them. Recently I started shooting RAW + JPG (especially for wedding shoots) with the hope that I could learn to master the RAW workflow. This is a terrific starting point for me. Thank you all.

Digital-Light-Photography
7th April 2007, 10:51 PM
John,
Once you get the hang of it shooting RAW is quite a bit better than jpg in a lot of ways. If you want something that does a really good job yet is pretty much automatic you might want to look into DxO Optics Pro. I was quite impressed with how well it does everything automatically. The only thing I don't like about it, and this is a deal breaker for me, is that you have to import images into the program to work on them. Lightroom BETA was like that at first, but fortunately they changed it. Now you can store images anywhere.

Digital-Light-Photography
7th April 2007, 10:58 PM
I'll have to try the legacy checkbox and see the difference. I seldom use the brightness/contrast tool because I have already set that in ACR.

::John::
7th April 2007, 11:05 PM
OK

I have DPP, ACR, RSE and the 'other' Canon Raw program that kicks in via Zoom Browser.

Each one has different features that, to my simple mind, should all be in the one package, hence some of my confusion.

The simple question is "Which is the best RAW converter?"

I know there is no simple answer and a lot of personal bias is centered around personal workflow and choice.

If I have 2500 wedding pictures, which will get me the fastest results?

The other side of it is the amount of data a single RAW picture contains. You don't get many RAW files on a 4Gb card - and with the soon-to-be-arriving 1DMKIII I just know I will have to go buy a heap more CF (and SD) cards when I am shooting with both cameras.

I already carry a P-2000 to offload cards during a shoot (and, yes, it's good but a bit slow).

At an average airshow I could take around 1200 - 1400 pictures - per day!

Weddings are anything from 1200 up

I'll have a look for DxO Optics Pro, though. Thanks.

Dimitri
7th April 2007, 11:06 PM
Thanks for that Les,still don`t know how to do these things.


Some computer guy eh...?http://bestsmileys.com/computer1/2.gif

Digital-Light-Photography
7th April 2007, 11:25 PM
If speed is your prime concern shoot jpg. RAW conversion does take a little longer than jpg. But not a whole lot if you use some automated features of Photoshop. If you are equally concerned with quality as speed shoot RAW. It's worth the extra time it takes. I haven't used all those programs so can't really say which is best. I use Photoshop almost exclusively. Once in awhile (mainly if I want to do rectalinear correction to shots I take with a 10.5 mm fisheye) I will use Nikon Capture NX. It's rather slow however so my main workflow is with Photoshop. And I use Actions to automate a lot of what I do. Photoshop seems to be the choice of most people so if I had to pick a best I'd probably say it is the one. The amount of data is a concern shooting RAW. But with the price of hard drives these days it doesn't need to be an issue. As good as the RAW converter in CS3 is you might very well find it's all you need to convert abd save RAW files as jpgs. If that's the case you will probably find it to be faster than even shooting jpg. So like you say, it's a difficult thing to say which is best or fastest. It all depends on so many factors. But I would say Photoshop is at least right up there with the best of them no matter what your criteria.

Balliolman
12th April 2007, 08:41 AM
Dimitri, have you considered using/trialling Lightroom?

Dimitri
12th April 2007, 03:39 PM
Dimitri, have you considered using/trialling Lightroom?

I have but trial period has ended as the product is in the market and i don`t own one.

Balliolman
21st April 2007, 07:35 AM
OK

I have DPP, ACR, RSE and the 'other' Canon Raw program that kicks in via Zoom Browser.

Each one has different features that, to my simple mind, should all be in the one package, hence some of my confusion.

The simple question is "Which is the best RAW converter?"

I know there is no simple answer and a lot of personal bias is centered around personal workflow and choice.

If I have 2500 wedding pictures, which will get me the fastest results?

The other side of it is the amount of data a single RAW picture contains. You don't get many RAW files on a 4Gb card - and with the soon-to-be-arriving 1DMKIII I just know I will have to go buy a heap more CF (and SD) cards when I am shooting with both cameras.

I already carry a P-2000 to offload cards during a shoot (and, yes, it's good but a bit slow).

At an average airshow I could take around 1200 - 1400 pictures - per day!

Weddings are anything from 1200 up

I'll have a look for DxO Optics Pro, though. Thanks.

You need to give Lightroom serious consideration ...

Frank_Hollahan
21st April 2007, 03:00 PM
Dimitri, I start by opening up my image in DPP first, make the desired adjustments, sharpening as well, than move on to PS with more adjustments, starting with contrast....song and dance...then ending with Smart Sharpen. Is this a good work flow to follow or am I missing the boat?

Looking forward to trying your recommended work flow.

Thanks for your time
Frank

Dimitri
23rd April 2007, 04:26 PM
I wish i could help you Frank but i`ve never used DPP before,i suppose if it has similar settings then just follow as per above,or even try different approaches.

JustMePhotography
7th May 2007, 01:07 PM
Thanks for that Les,still don`t know how to do these things.


Some computer guy eh...?

You can do that with Open Office, its free and is basically just MS Word with a PDF maker built in! www.openoffice.org

I have just got hold of Lightroom 1 and I am trying to get to grips with it, its damn confusing compared to ACR and takes a lot longer, but seems to give better results. Right now I am saving as JPG large as that is what I need to get online prints done.

I DPP but never use it.

suedezu
30th May 2007, 10:31 AM
Can someone post the same version of this tutorial but for CS3?

I think it would be helpful as the RAW convertors are pretty different.

Thanks.

Dimitri
30th May 2007, 04:58 PM
Can someone post the same version of this tutorial but for CS3?

I think it would be helpful as the RAW convertors are pretty different.

Thanks.

Andrei,i`ll see what i can do and i`ll bring a tut up as soon as i can.;)

suedezu
31st May 2007, 06:26 AM
Andrei,i`ll see what i can do and i`ll bring a tut up as soon as i can.;)

Thank you Dimitri. :)

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